How much editing and rewriting are necessary before it's a whole other movie? Scenes re-ordered and/or cut, new dialogue, new music, new title, etc.
Here's one example:
https://films.discogs.com/film/136088-gandahar
https://films.discogs.com/film/36769-light-years

Should the latter be marked as a dupe or remain as an abused mutant offspring of Harvey Weinstein?

Should Blade Runner: The Final Cut be a different movie than the original? A lot of changes were made as noted here. A lot of other versions noted here too like the "Director's Cut", etc. too. Still perhaps will always be my favorite film.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/alternateversions

I think it will be case by case. A recut of a film like Bladerunner I would say no, they are just different cuts of the same film.

This example was re-edited and had new scenes filmed for an American audience so I think it deserves it's separate film: https://films.discogs.com/film/20317-godzilla-king-of-the-monsters

The example you give is borderline from the info I can find, I think it would require more information before making a decision. The wiki page doesn't say that there were many changes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandahar_(film)#English_version

Was Blade Runner: The Final Cut released theatricly? I don't remember if the Directors cut was either (too much LSD in the 90's). Were the directors different? Aren't these versions just different home releases?

maldoror wrote:

The example you give is borderline from the info I can find, I think it would require more information before making a decision. The wiki page doesn't say that there were many changes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandahar_(film)#English_version

Yes, that's why I used the example. I guess I'll have to view the original french version and compare it with the english version.

Nivekian wrote:

Was Blade Runner: The Final Cut released theatricly? I don't remember if the Directors cut was either (too much LSD in the 90's). Were the directors different? Aren't these versions just different home releases?

Wikipedia does note that the Final Cut did have a theatrical release on October 7, 2006 here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versions_of_Blade_Runner

It did note that there was some refilming of some scenes amongst other newer updtes to the film. It is an example of how this probably isn't a black and white issue on whether these newer versions were just re-releases of the old film or significant altering of the older film.

Woodstock might be another example, where it was rereleased as a director's cut, and I think woodstock footage was used in many other subsequent films over the years too.

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/music/282665/woodstock-movie-50th-anniversary

I guess since my original example is already in the db I'll just leave 'em separate, flesh them out and link each to the other.

In general, I would think that if a movie has scenes re-filmed, new scenes added, scenes re-ordered or different plot for a theatrical release then it IS a different movie. Not if it's just adding back in cut scenes and/or digital altering such as Star Wars. Also not if it's just detracted from or translated different as many international films are.

Another example of a re-edited, re-written, re-dubbed, re-directed, etc. movie is What's Up, Hideous Sun Demon wich is the footage from the 1958 film The Hideous Sun Demon. Once the original is in the db should they be linked?

Found a site that could both help and/or hinder us in coming to a conclusion on these issues. They do a lot of side by side comparisons; https://www.movie-censorship.com/

Nivekian wrote:

Was Blade Runner: The Final Cut released theatricly? I don't remember if the Directors cut was either (too much LSD in the 90's). Were the directors different? Aren't these versions just different home releases?

I don't think whether something was released theatrically or not should have any impact on these kinds of decisions.

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