Thougth we could use a dedicated thread on what is/isnt/could be sub genres.

And I'm going to start because looking about we have three sub genres currently that could be condenced into one.
- Comic Book Adaptation
- Superhero
- Supervillian

To me these could all come down to Comic Book Adaptation and would group them easier.

some movies like Agents Of P.O.W.E.R. are not a comic book adaption they are a low budget film.

Also

Bat thumb
Gargoyles
Robot Ninja
Split
Unbreakable

are also not based off comics.

I get that, maybe best to use both then. Best to enquire before making changes.

When I've been cleaning up old pages if they had a sub genre that was represented by a category or genre I've been removing them

Yeah i mean for marvel and dc comic films and actual comic adaptions i think using Comic adaption for them is best.

I've gone through all of of the films in Superhero and anything based on a Marvel or DC character/franchises I added the comic adaptation to.

I've gone through all of of the films in Superhero and anything based on a Marvel or DC character/franchises I added the comic adaptation to.

i like the "Comic Aaptation" sub genre.

i just noticed a new sub genre was added. 3D
I don't think this should be a sub genre. It's a technique.

oteis wrote:

I've gone through all of of the films in Superhero and anything based on a Marvel or DC character/franchises I added the comic adaptation to.

i like the "Comic Aaptation" sub genre.

Don't be saying that AFTER I've changed them to Comic Book Adaptation.

oteis wrote:

i just noticed a new sub genre was added. 3D
I don't think this should be a sub genre. It's a technique.

It was already there as a sub genre, I think I used it on one, saw it was already a thing and just added, I do agree that it's a type of film, but also you can tell if your watching a 3D film in 2D as things tend to fly towards the screen, so the film has been made with the technology in mind.

An edit button would be nice...

I'd also argue it's as valid as a genre as Silent/Silent Film is, as that is also a technical type of film (limited by the technologies of the time) that can be considered a genre of film. There are also genres here based on on how the film is made such as Claymation, CGI, Marionette and Stop Motion, which are other types/ways of making films. So I'd argue all these along with 3D are viable sub genres.

On a related note I've also noticed that silent films are split into two Silent and Silent Film, I think it would make sence just to list them as Silent and I'll add that into my clean up.

Yes Silent film is actally considerd a genre i added a few i think 3 versions of Old Toms Cabin.

and i think there is a few Charlie Chaplin films on here.

A lot of what I use subgenre entries for are genres that are listed in imdb for the film, but not in the filmogs genre list. The most common example for me here is "biography", that commonly shows up in imdb but can't be entered in as a regular genre. There are a few others as well, but not as common.

I'd also argue it's as valid as a genre as Silent/Silent Film is, as that is also a technical type of film (limited by the technologies of the time) that can be considered a genre of film. There are also genres here based on on how the film is made such as Claymation, CGI, Marionette and Stop Motion, which are other types/ways of making films. So I'd argue all these along with 3D are viable sub genres.

True, though 3D movies can also be watched and in 2D. Silent film, claymation, stop motion, cgi etc can only be watched as such.

I'd argue there are some films made with 3D specifically in mind, and that the reason they are released in 2D if for those who cannot watch in 3D and for the home market.

I don't think 2d is a genre i mean most films are in 2d.

But we are talking about 3D films that were made intentionally with 3D tech in mind.

Would you argue that TV Movie is a sub genre or would it just be considered a feature film?

TheWho87 wrote:

Would you argue that TV Movie is a sub genre or would it just be considered a feature film?

I know filmogs dosen't want it as a category but unsure if it should be just written in notes or as a sub genre.

Yeah, I think if it's in the notes it does not need to be a sub genre.

Also I've finished cleaning up what was the Music sub genre, they were mostly music videos with a few concerts, basically upgraded it as a main genre.

Just removed - 'male nudity' as a subgenre.

Some users understanding of genre / subgenre is anything that appears in a film. By this logic a documentary about John Ford becomes a Western, one about Metropolis becomes sci-fi (perhaps the opposite of documentary as a form).

I see this a lot with 'comedy' applied to drama that has a handful of jokes - with no conception that humour might be applied as light relief from drama, rather than usurping it. There are moments of humour in the tragedy: Hamlet, it is still a tragedy! By no stretch of the imagination is Hamlet a tragicomedy or both drama and comedy.

TheWho87 wrote:

Would you argue that TV Movie is a sub genre or would it just be considered a feature film?

I've said it before on the forum. TV Movie is a much misunderstood term. IMDB gets it wrong all the time.

For some it is any film made by a TV channel. WRONG. TV channels make films for theatrical release too. Plus all major studios have TV channels too - so they have TV as an end goal too.

For others it appears to be old films they have seen on TV. WRONG. Just because a film hasn't been released theatrically for some time doesn't make it a TV Movie.

I have seen Oscar winners called TV movie on IMDB. WRONG. To be nominated in the first place, a film has be have released theatrically in LA.

For the record a TV Movie is a film made for release primarily on TV with - and this is the key part - NO theatrical release. So most TV movie feature films don't make it to physical media either, because theatrical is generally percieved to be necessary in the marketing of feature films on physical media.

Furthermore, I think it is hard to define generic attributes to TV Movies, they can be: crime, drama, romance, melodrama, sci-fi etc. I.e all the regular genres and subgenres we have. The one difference used to be production values, but I fail to see that as a genreric attribute, especially since TV and film production, media and economics have become increasingly aligned. Sometimes even the producers can't tell the difference. The film Priest was made by the BBC as a TV movie, once made and aired they decided it was good enough to be released theatrically, so they did just that.

I'd argue it should be defined as a feature film that was initially aired on television, in a similar aspect to the direct to video sub genre, which covers feature films initially released through home media.

Whatever happens to a film after its release is of no significance.

Completly forgot about this thread, since I've been tidying up sub genres this will be handy.

I noticed the Period subgenre exists with a few releases. Should they be classed as Historical instead, even the ones not based on historical events, but set in the past e.g. Blackadder TV series.

Yeah I'd argue historical with a sub genre for the period, such as what I did with the Blackadder episodes.

For the record a TV Movie is a film made for release primarily on TV with - and this is the key part - NO theatrical release.

Agree, but i think there should be a litle discussion that in first place on tv as tv movie prequel of tv series who followd (what made that ''movie'' pilot episode!) .can be credit as tv movie or till that moment as tv episode. I like to see no longer be credit as future movie or as future movie with tv movie as sub gerne but as episode or tv movie or as episode and subgerne: tv movie. future movie in my opnion should have been released in cinema, not made for tv. For streaming movies or series there should be streaming movie or streaming episode option to created or use Internet movies insteed of streaming movies .

For some it is any film made by a TV channel. WRONG. TV channels make films for theatrical release too.

I think it hide in difrence of using ''a'' or ''for'' tv channel. I agree with this.

For others it appears to be old films they have seen on TV. WRONG. Just because a film hasn't been released theatrically for some time doesn't make it a TV Movie.

If movie is made FOR tv, then it does not make difrence or movie is old. If movie is made for first view on tv then it is tv movie. But i understand confusing.

Stil missing general page of Tom and Jerry.I

alexl wrote:

I noticed the Period subgenre exists with a few releases. Should they be classed as Historical instead, even the ones not based on historical events, but set in the past e.g. Blackadder TV series.

There is a known genre like period drama also known as a historical drama.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_drama

UG1002 wrote

There is a known genre like period drama also known as a historical drama.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_drama

This reminds me, what's the view on compound sub genres made from main genres, for example things like Crime Drama, Musical Comedy, Horror Comedy and Romantic Comedy.

To me since you can't search more than one genre at a time they might helpful but their also just duplicating genres, of those I mentioned I think the only one I've been using/adding would be Romantic Comedy since RomComs are a whole thing in themselves.

i have always known romantic comidas as a subgenre better known as RomComs.

i have seen a few Horror comides Z Nation, Warm Bodies, Zombieland and a few others.

i don't watch many musicals so i can't say about musicals.

TheWho87 wrote:

UG1002 wrote

There is a known genre like period drama also known as a historical drama.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_drama

This reminds me, what's the view on compound sub genres made from main genres, for example things like Crime Drama, Musical Comedy, Horror Comedy and Romantic Comedy.

To me since you can't search more than one genre at a time they might helpful but their also just duplicating genres, of those I mentioned I think the only one I've been using/adding would be Romantic Comedy since RomComs are a whole thing in themselves.

I've added the subgenre Romantic Comedy to some of my submissions. I think it's useful, I agree with Horror Comedy, but there are thousands of them, everything from Scream to Society, then you have weird things like Ravenous which is a borderline black comedy.

Yeah I agree with Romantic Comedy just wasnt sure on others, what I tend to do is use the Wikipedia page and the categories as a simple sub genre guide.

Thoughts on New French Extreme or New French Extremity as the subgenre. I'm not sure which title is more widely used, but I will add the missing titles once it is agreed on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_French_Extremity

Also should these two be classed as Video Nasty, I don't think either were in the DPP list:
https://films.discogs.com/film/376825-mas-carnaza
https://films.discogs.com/film/331001-ren-she-da-zhan

On the first I'd go with how Wikipedia titles the page, that way you can easily justify linking to that as a source.

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